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Okay, so this one comes to me by way of [livejournal.com profile] kita0610 who asked if I would take a look at dakinigrl's request for comments to refute a particular article.

The article in question is by Tammy Bruce, who published it at FrontPage magazine.com but on the odd chance it gets taken down I'm going to quote it here:

Protect New York's Children from the Gay Elite
By Tammy Bruce
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 31, 2003


In my book The Death of Right and Wrong I warn about the sexualization and targeting of children by the radical gay fringe. The announcement that a school in New York will open in September and be the first publicly run “gay high school” is a testament to that vile and loathsome agenda.

Do not be cowed with arguments that if you’re against this you’re a “homophobe.” In fact, the unforgivable crime is if we remain silent allowing children to be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness, as we sit and watch gay malignant narcissists make a wild grab for children. Well, it won’t be done in my name, and I contend that every decent hetero- and homosexual person out there should be equally outraged by this hideous action.

Not all of this, however, is inexplicable. As I outline in detail in DRW, there is a sick movement among the homosexual academics and the radical gay fringe to change the age of sexual consent in this nation to 12-years-old. As sexually transmitted diseases for both hetero- and homosexuals increases and HIV/AIDS runs rampant, the goal by some to have access to children (untouched virgins, free of disease) has increased.

This agenda is facilitated by efforts like the "gay high school," which, in my opinion, furthers the sexualization of children.

Consider this: Accepting the “gay high school” demands you accept the notion that there are “gay and transgender kids,” which on its face is simply ridiculous. The argument is that children as young as 13 and 14-years-old somehow know, in their immature little kid minds, what their sexuality is, including if they’re a “transgendered youth,” which is a child who believes he or she should be the opposite sex. Frankly, if there is a 14 ­year-old boy who wants to have his penis removed to become a “girl,” that kid needs to be in a psychiatrist’s office, not a high school created just for him.

Think about it: we’re talking about children who are not psychologically mature enough to decide what to have for dinner, let along comprehend the intricacies of sexuality and all its physical and psychological repercussions. But the Gay Elite want us to believe that somehow these children know they prefer to have anal sex or need their breasts removed to find their “true” selves. Yeah, and I’m Anna Nicole Smith.

I cannot even begin to express my rage at a radical gay fringe and leftists who now are openly and willingly sacrificing children in a vain and self-obsessed drive to quench their own appetites for the young. That’s all this amounts to—adults indulging themselves, and others made too mute by political correctness to step up and say "No."

Apparently “gay children” need to be trained so they can be productive, stereotypical gays. The new principal of this atrocity has proudly announced that his school will “specialize in computer technology, art and culinary programs.” Isn’t that great? What else? Flower arrangement? Hair design? Dance?

In all this madness, after psychologically trapping and abandoning these kids, we then limit their options and train them to be stereotypical, victimized, angry caterers and dancers and florists. Hey, maybe this is a conspiracy to make sure Bravo’s “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” will never run out of Queer Specialists!

The insult of all this to gay people is absolutely astonishing.

Even supporters of the gay school concept admit that the so-called gay kids they’re dealing with suffer from sexual acting-out, suicidal tendencies, drug abuse, and homelessness. The fact is, all of these symptoms are indications of sexual molestation, not homosexuality. So, instead of helping these kids deal with a serious trauma, they’ll be called “gay” and sent to a school to become a chef.

Welcome to the Left’s progressive world.

Really, do you honestly think if a child is actually sexually confused because his priest or Uncle Joe molested him, that anyone at the “gay school” is going to tell him that he just might need psychological help dealing with the trauma, and may be heterosexual and not gay at all?

Of course not. We’ll throw that kid on the garbage heap so gay malignant narcissists can feel more “normal” by making kids be just like them. While the gay establishment refuses to address the impact our histories have on our sexual identity, I refuse to let that cowardice take children as its next victims.

The other remarkably specious argument is that these children, because of their “sexuality,” are being beaten up and otherwise harassed in their regular high school to such a degree that they cannot function in a normal environment. How did that happen in progressive and liberal New York City?

Let me see if I understand this correctly: hate crimes against gay children (huh?) are at epidemic proportions in New York high schools? That’s strange, because beating someone up or harassing someone simply because they’re gay is, according to the liberal establishment, a hate crime. If there are criminal child homophobe gangs terrorizing the New York public school system, why haven’t we heard about this before? And more importantly, why are we isolating the victims? Why isn’t Bloomberg nailing the perpetrators? Where, in this supposed cesspool of hates crimes, is the outrage among the Gay Elite?

If there was ever a time to be willing to stand up and be called a name by leftists, we should do so now in the name of children. There comes a time when the price of silence is far too high. Organizers have said they want this school to be a “model for the nation.” If we do nothing, it will be.

We gay adults should do what we can to be happy individuals, as long as we’re decent about it and no one gets hurt. Hijacking the identity of a child is an unforgivable breach of that line. For all of us, enduring the wrath of some malignant narcissists is the least we owe children whose very lives rely on the courage of those of us who know better.

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Okay, that out of the way, we come to my reply:

First off, honey, do you read your own work for content? Because I'm stuck here with the fact that "radical gay fringe" is your terminology yet nothing in this essay suggests to me that you actually know what those words mean.

Allow me to explain then. We use words like "radical fringe" to indicate that the people of the "radical fringe" in no way represent the group that they're radically fringing on. That's why we call them the "radical fringe" and not "them". Otherwise the whole thing would be seriously redundant, and there's really no point to you writing "radical gay fringe" over and over when what you mean is "gay" unless you're being paid by the word. Which possibly you are. But now it's being paid by the incorrect synonym and you really need to cut it out.

That being said, allow me to be generous and assume, based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, that what you meant was that this "radical gay fringe" though not representative of the whole of gays everywhere, is still managing to cause all the change and get all the attention due to some cause which I honestly can't imagine but again I'm just going with it for the sake of argument. Fine.

Now we come to the gay school issue. Granted, to a certain extent I need to bow out of this argument because I haven't read up on the gay school that's being proposed so I'm in no way an expert on it. Luckily that apparently puts the two of us on an even keel. But just to get whatever opinion I might have out of the way, let me just say that I see both sides of the "let's make a school that's only for fill in the blank students" issue. On the one hand it'd be nice if we didn't have to have schools like that, on the other yours truly went to a women-only college and geniunely saw the benefit that came from having that specific focus. So, as I say, I see both sides to the issue at its core.

That being said, I find myself not needing to know anything about this school because I can tell just by reading your article that you don't know anything about it either. Case in point, and I realize this is being extraordinarily nitpicky, but I seriously doubt that they're calling this the "Tammy Bruce School for Queer Youth" so let's pull the ultra-pretentious "not in MY name" bus to the side of that particular highway, shall we? Detach your hand from the pearls you're clutching around your neck and let's actually talk details.

Now, granted, the US has noted a rise in HIV cases among gay men but, much like thyroid disfunction, researchers can't tell if this is due to an actual increase in cases or an increase in testing. And even if it was an increase in cases, it's a big leap from that to your theory of gay men creating the Xavier's School for Really Swishy Gifted Children just so they can find a few clean asses to fuck. Reason being it ain't that kind of party.

Seriously, Tammy, did you try earth logic? Let me put it to you this way - if there was a disease out there that was steadily increasing amongst gay/bi women I, personally, would not respond to that by moving on to gay/bi girls because I'm not a freaking pedophile. Gay! Pedophile! Not similiar! Work with me, Tammy. I know the words that aren't actually synonyms thing is a problem for you but you can overcome this. Try this on for size. You, apparently, are gay. Would you screw little girls? No? Well then you're halfway there. Imagine a version of you with a penis who won't fuck little boys and you're done.

And, frankly, even if this were true wow what a Rube Goldbergian device this is on behalf of that radical gay fringe everywhere. You're telling me that this powerful cabal of gay men, eager for those clean virginal gay asses, worked together, formed a plan, latched on to all the right branches of politics, wrote and completed all the paperwork, became accredited, got the money and on top of it all the goverment approval in this, a radically right atmosphere, to form a gay highschool for the sole purpose of finding gay kids to fuck? Because... what? Hanging out in clubs with high school kids and asking boys, who tend to have the get up and go attitude towards having sex that is only rivaled by their get up and go attutide towards having more sex and just asking them was somehow too complicated? How does this even make sense in your world? Heck, at this point I'm just curious as to how you saw the radical gay fringe being able to agree on New York as the location. Must've been a real bad day for those horny radical gay fringers in San Francisco, huh? Bitch of a commute right there if you ask me.

Anyway, I don't want to linger on your woeful ignorance of Occam's Razor when there's so much more ground here to cover. Case in point, according to you the concept of "gay and transgender kids" is "ridiculous" which is... a point of view, certainly. It's an incorrect point of view, but there we are.

First off, again you've got to let those damn pearls go. 14 year old boys who, barring medical evidence to the contrary (and I'm getting to that), believe that they are girls do not get to walk right in to a doctor's office and get their dicks cut off. 40 year old men don't get to do that either. Instead there's a long and involved process before any sex change operation and yes, that includes visits with psychiatrists so thanks for agreeing with us that that's part of the deal.

Beyond that however - it's impossible for teenagers to have gender identity problems? Really now? Since when, exactly? Because people can have gender identity problems starting from the womb, as this class demonstrates. Gender - pure, physical gender - is formed from more than just that XX, XY chromosome deal. There's actually a lot of steps to the process beyond that and any number of factors can result in various forms of hermaphroditism (aka a person with male and female genitalia). And if you think that somehow it is impossible for any of this to factor in to a teenager, then I'd love to know how 5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency strikes you since people who have that start out with female genitalia and then, come puberty form the genitalia of a male.

That's right, Tammy. Gender switching without any medical help at all, right at puberty. Today's lesson for you is: crack a book, it's not going to hurt you.

Now, granted, 5-alpha is very extreme and it's not even common here in the US, but my point is actual medical science disagrees with you on the gender identity thing. There's more to one's gender than what is or is not swinging between your legs and you'd better believe that puberty, that time when hormones are turning us into sexual beings, is a time when that's going to come up.

As for gay youth - Tammy, sexuality is not Stove Top vs potatoes in the grand decision making process of life. Outside of that gay outreach program known as Drama Club (tm some comedian whose name I've forgotten) there's actually few places in high school where identifying yourself as a gay youth is considered a positive thing. Few kids do this to be cool. Instead they do it in spite of an environment which suggests that making this part about yourself known is a great way to ask for people to introduce you to all new ways of bleeding. So a kid whose taken the chance to come out and say that he or she is gay is doing something very different from the kid who can't decide if he or she wants chicken or fish for dinner - unless dinnertime is radically different over at your house and in which case I daresay sexuality is not your biggest problem.

And speaking of sexuality - you can't have it both ways. If you think teenagers aren't mature enough to figure out if they're gay then they're not mature enough to figure out if they're straight either. Which is possibly your point. But even then it makes no sense because either you believe that sexuality is determined by biology, in which case all the queer schools in the world aren't going to make a difference, or you believe that sexuality is a choice, in which case I've got to wonder why you're sticking with the lesbian thing since it doesn't really look like something you feel comfortable with. But who knows? Maybe you are. At which point I've got to wonder what made you decide you liked breasts more than dicks and why you think the age at which you came to that decision is applicable to everyone.

We go on to discuss how the principal for the gay school "proudly announced that his school will 'specialize in computer technology, art and culinary programs.'" To which you say "Isn’t that great? What else? Flower arrangement? Hair design? Dance?"

To which I say - no, because none of those words complete the pattern. I'm sorry but my high school bragged about its technology and drama programs when my parents signed me up and that was for a non-gay school in the 'burbs of Connecticut. And since when is computer technology considered queer domain anyway? Did Bill Gates do a cover shoot for The Advocate when I wasn't looking? Besideswhich it's a New York School. Is it supposed to ignore the incredible culture that it has access to? We had art and museum trips and cooking classes when I was in elementary school, and that was good ol' PS 193. Now granted that's while I was living in Queens but I assure you that's just the name of the borough. It wasn't an indoctrination program.

So how you get from a New York school doing what other New York Schools do to this theory of yours that not only is the radical gay fringe "trapping" these children, but then somehow turning them into "stereotypical, victimized, angry caterers and dancers and florists" - hon, I'm lost. How did this even make sense to you? You're a dyke, do you feel a need to kidnap cheerleaders and teach them how to repair cars?

Say it with me: there is no grand radical gay fringe cabal. They are not controlling the goverment, the school system or, frankly, anything else since if they were Bush's comments about gay marriage would've never left the gate. Moreover, I want you to remember that your fellow gay men and women are not actually aliens. They are human beings. They do not pounce upon molested kids and tell them that being molested makes them gay unless they, the gay adults, are also assholes. Again we're back on those words that aren't actually synonyms. Someone can be gay and be an asshole, someone can be gay and not be an asshole, someone can be an asshole and not be gay. It's a whole separate skillset, honestly.

Again, as I say, I don't know if an all-gay high school is the answer. But in terms of your article, that's not the point. If you want to debate the merits or lack therein of an all-gay high school, fine. But the key thing there is you have to debate what's actually going on. You can't cobble together a lot of theories that sounded like fun inside of your head, toss in an indignant tone and then claim you're speaking on behalf of those of us who somehow got outshouted by that radical gay fringe who can, for some reason, get a gay school in NYC yet can't get Gale Harold to actually show his cock in a full frontal on Queer as Folk. It makes no sense.

Crack a book, learn some facts, stop believing that you're speaking on behalf of anyone except yourself and then we'll talk. Thank you.

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